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  Carbon-dating questions??

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i recently heard a story from a jw about stupid scientists.

  there was an awake article about archeaologist who found an ancient piece of art.

  it was sent to a university for dating.

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  DD, by dendrochronology to determine the age of the timber and stylistically for the period in which the timber was used for making the bed.
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  WTS competition

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just now 10am friday morning, had a phone call from central london to tell me that opposite the houses of parliament outside westminster tube station the wts (wobbly trolley society) are standing there being overshadowed by others with loudspeaker and taller placards declaring "jws are a cult".

  sounds like fun!.

  but will this sort of publicity harm or benefit the jw org?.

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  Then how do you counter high profile WTS presence and misinformation?
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  Noah preached 100-120 years and no followers. What the hell was he preaching?

  by James Mixon in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  let me see if i have this straight.

  we are to believe noah preached over a 100 years with 0 effect.. the bible records that lamech, noah's father had sons and daughter's but the number is not included.

  to have a plural number of brothers and sisters, there would be at least four siblings, two brothers and two sisters.. my folks had 6 kids and 90 years later there are over 100 family members.. some say based on what's written in gen.6:3, noah preached anywhere between 100-120 years.

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  As in: “the days of Noah” was a fiction and therefore ”the coming of the son of man” is too...
  
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  Managing a doomsday cult

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wtbts have only one objective: to keep their religious engine on the tracks.

  the pastoral care of their followers (although they would publicly deny it) is right at the bottom of their priorities.they demand abject loyalty.

  as a matter of sociological fact the subscribers to the watchtower belief are on average placed at the lowest rung of the income ladder and in the bottom category of the least educated of religious groups.

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  In the interests of accuracy: Around 1927 saw the removal of Russell’s idea of saying that JC arrived in the heavens in 1874 and began ruling in 1878 and in normal doomsday cult date-wrangling, had to bring it forward to 1914. It was probably around 1943 when the literature first spoke of “Those who saw 1914 would still be alive at the end of the system of things”.

  
  
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  Managing a doomsday cult

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wtbts have only one objective: to keep their religious engine on the tracks.

  the pastoral care of their followers (although they would publicly deny it) is right at the bottom of their priorities.they demand abject loyalty.

  as a matter of sociological fact the subscribers to the watchtower belief are on average placed at the lowest rung of the income ladder and in the bottom category of the least educated of religious groups.

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  What I find sickening is the way the WTBTS slide gently from one false perspective to another with no insider challenging the religious politics and prophetic failures which inevitably force those changes.

  Surely no JW teaching has been more instrumental in bringing in more money and publishers than the false hope of the 1914 generation who would ”see the end of the system of things”. This amounts to a colossal fifty year hoax.

  Today without the “1914 generation” all the previous half century’s propaganda has been exposed as utterly futile. All those talks... the false hope, all that printed page... all those lives wasted on this false doctrine. All hot air and futility. And yet 1914 was played by the org as their golden card for believing in them.

  Now they lack any distinctive success to brag about, so they distract the disappointed sheep with a bright new toy. Blind them to their false teachings of the past, fudge over the errors and direct attention elsewhere.

  Of course they now realise that the answer for mind control as any demagogue always knew, is media control ...and hence their very own snazzy jazzy internet indoctrination machine. To control the minds of people: use the media.

  I do hope it turns round and bites them in the bum and the doubters within the org feel justified in leaving...in droves.
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  WT now promoting literature officially at book fairs

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can there really be any doubt now on how commercial it is?

  if you thought the new kh design seemed commercial in nature, now imagine one of those halls turned into a jw store.

  we know they exist.

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  Have you noticed that for a publishing company with such impressive print runs, not one of their books has any merit at all (unless you call indoctrination a merit) to the extent that none of the titles are ever quoted in scholarly use except in exposing the stupidity of its contents?
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  WTS competition

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just now 10am friday morning, had a phone call from central london to tell me that opposite the houses of parliament outside westminster tube station the wts (wobbly trolley society) are standing there being overshadowed by others with loudspeaker and taller placards declaring "jws are a cult".

  sounds like fun!.

  but will this sort of publicity harm or benefit the jw org?.

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  Half banana

  Just now 10am Friday morning, had a phone call from central London to tell me that opposite the Houses of Parliament outside Westminster tube station the WTS (Wobbly Trolley Society) are standing there being overshadowed by others with loudspeaker and taller placards declaring "JWs are a cult". Sounds like fun!

  But will this sort of publicity harm or benefit the JW org?
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  Joseph and Potiphar's wife

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what are the real reasons joseph refused to sleep with potiphar's wife?.

  the watchtower and others teach that joseph refused to commit adultery.

  specifically to the jws, we teach that joseph, somehow, knew that adultery was wrong, despite not having any specific rule or writing to teach him so.

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  I can't remember the actual source of this myth at the moment but this tale of seduction by a high ranking female, like most of the Bible, it is not original and not historical. I think I have come across this before, possibly to be found in the writings of the Egyptian Sinuhe but I'll look it up.

  The tease of this story must be that women were possessions of the male but here was a woman made powerful by her marriage to a state official and a moral dilemma for the Israelite.

  So Billy, I don't quite agree with you. It was not written for the purpose you say but it was borrowed, copied and bound into the portfolio of scrolls labelled 'sacred' by Jews for the reasons you give. There is a difference and this difference denies the text being God's pure unadulterated word.
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  Serve Jehovah get everlasting life don't serve get everlasting death

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's personality is explosive with no guarantees he won't blow a head gasket and destroy your ass for some petty offense.. i know the jws claim jehovah always keeps his word and once you get to heaven or pass the final test you got guaranteed everlasting life.

  but when we look in the bible jehovah seems to kill even his worshipers over trifles, so who is to say that someday he won't get pissed off and destroy the whole human race and start all over again?.

  while i don't believe the bible or what the wt corporation teaches about jehovah personality, if what they say is true then i would much rather die than live an eternity under the whims of such a capricious jehovah.. the reward system the bible has promoted is really terrible and not to be grasped at..

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  Touch my ark?..I'll kill you!

  I'm glad now not to worship anything...everyone: stop worshipping, it does your head in!
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  Emblems

  by Harold Mourning in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  food for thought: .

  why didn't jesus (as the sacrificial lamb) choose bread and wine to signify his life instead of the (if it was actually on the passover) lamb that would have been there per jewish practice?

  also using a lamb would have been consistent with the law...the symbolic ideas would have been linear instead we have lamb represents "passover lamb"/messiah represented by bread and wine?

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  I get the picture that Roman religion had been dominated by Mithraism peaking towards the end of the second century and as it declined, Jesus- Christianity amongst many others, was replacing it. If we had been able to take a sociological survey at that time, namely finding out what people were actually doing as opposed to being bamboozled by the entirely biased Bible writings, we would probably find that Mithraic practice was the norm and was the source ritual for the ‘Christian’ last supper (remember the Saviour Mithra or Mithras was a christ too). The specific parallels can be explained by the later Roman Church under Constantine taking this prevailing pre-Jesus, Mithraic ‘eucharist’ symbolism of bread and wine into the syncretised Catholic worship. Mithra was called both the ‘Lamb of God’ and the ‘Good Shepherd’ and is depicted standing above a cross.

  Since the Vatican was built on top of the Roman Mithreum (underground church) its continuity with that cult is palpable. There exists in the caverns there the Mithraic inscription “Whoever does not drink of my blood and eat of my body, the same will not be with me in paradise”.

  So indeed eating the lamb would seem superfluous and innovative, best stick with tradition. The Jewish converts by now in the fourth century (when the Bible books were selected and edited) having been thoroughly Romanised.